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  1. 9 points
    mitch

    Hygiene

    it does make me chuckle all this fuss, several studies have shown that our antiseptic city lives have caused increases in asthma and other respiritory complaints over and above the problems of air quality and the over prescribing of antibiotics are causing all sorts of problems. studies showed that individuals in rural areas particularly farming communities were far healthier and much more resistant to illness than their city dwelling counterparts as they were exposed to far more bacteria etc and build up a natural resistance. the vacinne for smallpox was developed from antibodies from a milkmaid who got cowpox from working with animals and her natural immunity resulted in many a life saved. i am all for sensible cleanliness but people do take it to extremes mainly driven by the constant adverts promoting the germ killing abilities of inumerable products. soap and water will sufice in most cases. antibacterial this and that are not needed hot soapy water is more than adequate.
  2. 7 points
    Oldworldtraveller

    Hygiene

    When I was young, yes a long time ago, there was no food packaging in shops (we didn't have supermarkets) everything came from the shelf, cold slab or bin. We didn't have wipes, spray antiseptics, toilet cleaners, oven cleaners, washing machines, freezers. I sat on seats that others had used, wore hand me down clothes, ate everything that was put in front of me. Was shouted at by teachers at school, caned on several occasions and introduced to the slipper on several occasions but still respected the teachers. By todays standards I don't know how I have survived.
  3. 6 points
    RayO

    Hygiene

    I have looked on while this thread has developed and think that it is mostly about opinions which can vary wildly as to what is clean or not. I think the OP expected more support for their opinion but, because most people are not of the obsessive type, did not get it. My original thoughts were slightly askew from the way the thread developed. I don't see any designated use for certain areas of a cabin being stated when you get in there, okay certain parts are unstated such as "don't pee in the kettle" (don't understand why you would want to btw) but the rest is down to whatever your opinion might be. Opinions cannot be right or wrong except when they are stating facts which can be right or wrong. A drawer at the side of my bed can be used for whatever I want to use it for. Any bacteria or virus in it will usually die within a few hours. So, for as long as I continue cruising it will continue to be my dirty underpants drawer. RayO
  4. 6 points
    towny44

    Hygiene

    I have never read such a load of old rubbish since the last thread on this topic. I am not aware that any normal viruses can be passed on through perspiration, and if I was the type of person that worried about lurking germs in any hotel/cruise ship drawers, then I think I would probably stay at home and avoid all social contact.
  5. 6 points
    Oldworldtraveller

    Hygiene

    Not sure what infant mortality rates have to do with what I said. We also survived WW2 and all the shortages and hardships that came with it such as rationing, yet we are the ones living longer. Surely the reason for living longer is because doctors have diagnosed and conquered some of the old killers such as TB, respiratory problems, some forms of cancer and several others. Be interesting in 20 years time to see the predicted life expectancy. I for one won't be here to see the answer.
  6. 6 points
    Countrygirl

    Hygiene

    But I am only in my 60’s and I can relate to what OWT said, it is because people use all these antibacterial wipes and cleaners that we are no longer able to fight diseases. I don’t think we need to go back 75years. My kids in their 30’s & 40’s have survived and we didn’t have the antibacterial cleaners then for me to use. The only item that was sterilised was the baby bottle for the first few months.
  7. 5 points
    sinbad10

    Hygiene

    Seeing that you were on a P&O cruise I bet there was not much meat but plenty of the 2 veg
  8. 5 points
    Scranman

    Hygiene

    Go commando and that sorts it all
  9. 4 points
    Sue P

    Thanks for all the Baltic advice

    About 18 months ago I posted for the first time on the forum to ask advice about cruising to the Baltics, My husband and I had only been on one cruise before (P&O to the med) and I was finding all the various options quite overwhelming... The response I received was incredible with so many people taking the time to offer help and suggestions on cruise lines, itinerary, local tour companies etc etc. It made the planning so much easier and I was so grateful for the help. So I thought it only fair to report back on our return.... I included as many of your suggestions as was physically possible and we travelled with Celebrity Silhouette from Southampton, visiting Zeebrugge, Copenhagen, Stockholm, Talinn, 3 full days in St Petersburg, and Warnemunde. We booked SPB tours (who were excellent) for St Petersburg, including a night at the ballet (where we had a private box!). We explored Copenhagen, Stockholm and Talinn on our own and took the boat (as suggested) to Rostock from Warnemunde and again explored on our own, all of which was incredibly easy. The only ships tour we took was to Ypres and Flanders Fields from Zeebrugge, which was very good and thought provoking... We had an amazing time throughout and we even had fantastic weather! So a massive thank you to everyone for helping to make our trip so memorable.
  10. 4 points
    sinbad10

    P&O's new drink packages?

    There is nothing wrong with getting your moneys worth but when some people have freely admitted on here in the past and seem to be proud that on Captains welcome aboard party they get there early to get a position by the bar where the waiters come out with the drinks and accost them. Lets be honest we have all seen some grabbing 2 drinks each at a time and having them all lined up on a table.
  11. 4 points
    Davybe

    Hygiene

    I think that the Saying "Eat my Short's' is not meant to be taken literally , just my opinion.....Davybe
  12. 4 points
    Pesky Pirate

    Hygiene

    Depends on what they have been doing........ the aircon might have broken down..... 🤪
  13. 4 points
    smtcan

    Hygiene

    I don't leave anything personal lying around in the cabin. Firstly I don't want to make extra work for the cabin steward and secondly I don't like the idea of a stranger touching my clothes.. On our first cruise I was shocked to find my new nightgown spread on the bed with a towel animal head wearing my prescription sunglasses which I had left in their case beside the bed. I wasn't amused! Since then everything goes in a drawer. I'm sure there are worse things put into the drawers than my worn once or twice night wear.
  14. 3 points
    Pesky Pirate

    Hygiene

    Perhaps we should go back to being dirty boys and girls again lol ....
  15. 3 points
    *Dancing Queen*

    Hygiene

    They do say soap is bad for you or at least that is what the cosmetic companies tell you when they are trying to sell you all their lotions and potions, I can remember an Estee Lauder assistant commenting on how nice my skin was and asking what cleansers etc I used .. she was horrified when I said just soap and water !!
  16. 3 points
    Oldworldtraveller

    All Freedom Dining on Iona

    Love it or hate it I genuinely believe the days of dressing up are disappearing as fast as snow in August. Yes, there are the hardcore who like dressing up but they are very much in a minority and I say that from spending a lot of time on ships belonging to different cruise companies. Cruising to many is nothing special, just another holiday and they want to relax. To some it is a drop in standards whilst to others dressing up on holiday is the last thing they want to do. Last evening I was at a travel awards ceremony and had the opportunity to speak with many in the travel industry and whilst they agree there is a market for 'Formal Night' they also acknowledge casual is the way forward. I know some will disagree but you only have to look at how things have changed in the last 10 years and the number of top cruise lines who have relaxed the dress code. If relaxation wasn't needed, they wouldn't have done it, they have gone with the majority view. As always, just my opinion.
  17. 3 points
    mitch

    Hygiene

    lol, how on earth do you find time to enjoy the holiday.
  18. 3 points
    Pesky Pirate

    Hygiene

    Also build up of sun cream, and what about those who wee in the pool so have pee on their bathers then sit on not only sun beds but other seats around the pool, some of which have padded seats.....
  19. 3 points
    HLM

    Hygiene

    I really can't see what's disgusting about it, if you find something like using a bedside draw for nightwear disgusting I wonder how you manage to go on any holiday. Where do you draw the line? Do you not use the cutlery or the sun beds because others have possibly picked them up and put them down again, or layed on a bed in their costumes etc. Me thinks we need to be realistic. HLM.
  20. 3 points
    Countrygirl

    Hygiene

    You will all be taking your own cushions next just in case you want to sit on a chair. I can’t believe this topic, what do you do when you go shopping in the supermarket, wear plastic gloves?
  21. 3 points
    afcandrew

    Hygiene

    I'll have you know my nightwear is very well-behaved
  22. 3 points
    *Dancing Queen*

    New from P&O

    I think the crew would tell a very different story, the spin doctors may have sold them more tables/cabins = more tips but it will also mean more dissatisfied passengers = less tips. I have always supported the auto gratuities but the more I read on forums I'm beginning to ask myself who is the biggest fool here !! I accept paying tips is part and parcel of the stewards wage and I don't have a problem with this but what I do have a problem with is paying for a service if I don't get it and with the best will in the world the stewards can only do so much in a day so customer service will suffer.
  23. 2 points
    jinky

    Hygiene

    No - what I am saying is I don`t worry about it but assume all sorts could have been in there and it may not have been cleaned so am sure to store sensitive stuff that I might eat accordingly.
  24. 2 points
    sinbad10

    P&O's new drink packages?

    I just think you like to argue you have repeatedly argued on another nonsensical post about the laughable storage of "nightwear" and now you are gunning for an argument by being rude to people you dont even know on this thread and you are doing exactly the same on another cruise forum under a different name but too obvious not to be the same person.
  25. 2 points
    Tally

    P&O's new drink packages?

    I think you read it as you wanted to. I'm quite sure a lot of people go back to the ship to have lunch and don't abuse the 'bought and paid for' food. I'm not snobby I just find people who pile their plates up with food and waste it simply because they've 'bought and paid' for it just to make sure they get their money's worth a little annoying. As to those who have a drink in both hands because they've 'bought and paid' for them well I'd probably best keep my thoughts on those to myself.
  26. 2 points
    sinbad10

    P&O's new drink packages?

    Well that says a lot and I would be embarrassed to act like that never mind admit and feel proud in doing so.
  27. 2 points
    Oldworldtraveller

    P&O's new drink packages?

    I did mention them in my original post but they are Fred Olsen, Cruise and Maritime and Costa with the current exchange rate. Fred I believe are £15, CMV are £23 but that includes the daily gratuity of £6 although I believe you can book all inclusive at £17. Costa I believe works out at £18.50.
  28. 2 points
    Jenjen

    Hygiene

    This thread has become both funny and nostalgic. As a child we were lucky enough to have a bathroom, but it was Sunday night to have a bath, then Monday morning the bathroom was cleaned, my Mother used to use a tin of pink stuff called Chemico boy did it clean and shine the bath and anything else we had to have a stpit wash on all other days.
  29. 2 points
    HLM

    P&O's new drink packages?

    It really isn't that hard to get value for money out of a drink package, more especially on American owned ships. Using Cunard as an example, I'd say a reasonable average for alcoholic drinks is around $7 that equates to around 6 drinks a day which I don't think is excessive. That said P&O are not my favourite line however I always felt the bar prices on board were always reasonable and in line with what I pay at home. What I believe will happen now is that P&O will up their bar prices in line with other Carnival brands to encourage drink package purchases, that's what I think is wrong and is not good especially for those who don't drink that much, but enjoy a casual drink. HLM.
  30. 2 points
    Mayway

    Hygiene

    Well I can honestly say that some of the comments on this thread have made me laugh out loud - absolutely hilarious. Thanks a lot folks, you've really cheered me up.
  31. 2 points
    Pesky Pirate

    Hygiene

    They might wear gloves but do they change them between cabins or having cleaned the bathroom first...
  32. 2 points
    Pesky Pirate

    All Freedom Dining on Iona

    More room for nighties etc....
  33. 2 points
    towny44

    Hygiene

    I doubt any of the above could be attributed to storing used nightwear in cruise cabin drawers though, and I have sneaking suspicion that the elimination of childhood diseases owes far more to immunisation than any use of anti bacterial wipes.
  34. 2 points
    Pesky Pirate

    Hygiene

    Well it was a bit bigger than 2 Brussels sprouts and a chipolata....
  35. 2 points
    Pesky Pirate

    Hygiene

    I must admit to being on Arcadia once and this chaps bits didn’t quite fit into his shorts .... I don’t think I need to explain what was visible....
  36. 2 points
    HLM

    Hygiene

    So shorts and bikinis aren't close to a persons private parts then? Come on admit it you've got your dates wrong, surely this should've been an April 1st thread. HLM.
  37. 2 points
    mitch

    Hygiene

    oh stop it pesky your just winding it up now lol. i have to say this thread has been hilarious. if any of it were true cruise ships would be killing half their clients every cruise. i was in the army and at times we would be on excersice for weeks on end living in a hole in the ground basically in the same clothes occasionally changing socks with little or no washing facilities and out of thousands taking part i never heard of anyone falling ill. so the odd item of clothing forgotten in a drawer or under a bed aint going to cause a plague. but keep going its cheered me up no end this week.
  38. 2 points
    Davybe

    Hygiene

    Just being sensible about things always helps I find. You can only do your own bit to stay healthy on a ship. The first port of call for anyone being sick is the nearest toilet? not always the one in their rooms ,so avoiding public toilets for me is the best thing I can do to stay safe. One Young lady was so paranoid about getting sick on Ventura over Christmas she tried to have the lift to herself, she was really put out when we got in, turning her back on us, others were refusing to go into busy rooms on departure. We take it if the drawers eat look clean they are clean, no checking the pillows and mattresses if the covers are clean that's OK by us...Davybe
  39. 2 points
    afcandrew

    Oriana sold by P&O Cruises

    I hope you are proved right Sammy but I doubt it. I don't think P&O will introduce any new (or second-hand) smaller ships to the fleet. I feel their course is firmly towards larger, family-friendly ships. They will hold on to Aurora & Arcadia for a few years with Oceana likely to go 'down-under' to join her three sisters before Iona's sister comes into service in 2022. As each year passes, smaller ships become more & more a niche market. Carnival will hope that the P&O pax who don't wish to sail on large ships will go to Cunard but I feel many will go to Fred - or if they keep improving their product - CMV.
  40. 2 points
    Oriana was the first ever ship I sailed on so I read the announcement with a heavy heart. That said, I do completetly understand their decision. I enjoyed two fantastic cruises aboard Oriana in the late 90s early 00s but as much as I had a great time on board, the more I cruised, the more I realised that for me, there were much better choices. The traditional elements of Oriana are lovely and it's certainly a long-way from where P&O seem to be heading with their new ship designs but there are so many issues with Oriana these days that I think they're making the right decision to let her go. The aft vibration has always been an issue no matter how many times they tried to fix it. Dining in the Oriental Restaurant felt like sitting on top of a tumble dryer at times! It's a shame to see her go but it's also the right move in my opinion. I do however, think that they'll need a smaller ship addition in the future to address the growing gap between what they had before and the upcoming super-size ship additions to the fleet. Having lost Adonia and now Oriana, it's a lot for Aurora and Arcadia to carry and I think they'll need another to bridge the gap.
  41. 2 points
    sammy sun

    P&O Cruises Oriana leaving the fleet

    I understand the reasoning behind letting Oriana go as the ship has had its issues now for many years, particularly when it comes to aft vibration. What I would say though is that I think the way it has been handled is very poor and unforuntately, quite typical of P&O lately. I'm sure they were unable to inform passengers sooner due to terms of sale and negotiations being agreed but I first saw the announcement on Facebook and followed the conversation on there of the many comments following the news. P&O appeared to have a team on hand to reply to all comments posted on Facebook trying to fan the flames. What struck me most of all was the sheer lack of organisation and preparation. For someone to use the sentence "as a gesture of goodwill, we are allowing passengers to cancel or transfer their cruise free of charge" is just downright stupid. How can anyone be so daft as to comment with things like that? Of course you're going to let people cancel free of charge, what else are you going to do? Let them carry on with the cruise only to stand at the quayside waiting for a ship that will never arrive? Not only was that a daft comment to make, especially on social media but there was a clear lack of prep that had gone into the announcement. The hierarchy had clearly not filtered down the responses they wanted the social media team to use and stick to. It's just so typically uncoordinated and sadly that's become synonymous with P&O of late. To top it off, not long after they made the Oriana announcement, they went and posted a picture with the caption "how's everyone feeling this Friday?" I mean come on, are they serious? Obviously they were inundated with negative comments and they deserved it because they asked for it by posting something as stupid as that when people are currently being informed that the holiday they had booked is now being cancelled!
  42. 2 points
    afcandrew

    Hygiene

    I put my nightwear into one of the bedside drawers, folded. Not sure but think I normally use the bottom drawer as opposed to the top. Can't really get worked up on this topic though - 20+ cruises and never been ill, so doubt there is a huge issue of 'contamination'.
  43. 2 points
    Perhaps it might have been better if the Japanese had her, they might have a better knowledge of engines... so with the smaller ships leaving soon there won’t be any doing round trips from the uk, only the big ones, little choice left for those of us who don’t like the big ones . (Ships that is) thought I’d better clarify 🤪
  44. 2 points
    I'm pleased that I seized my chance to go on Oriana last year. Only a quick 7 nights 'around the Bay and back again' but well worth it now. She is without doubt a lovely and still very 'atmospheric' ship indeed, but sadly anyone with any engineering 'nous' about them, on listening to all that mechanical disturbance below the aft dining room and most probably the water line too, would understand that she has some serious problems which despite many attempted fixes now, just haven't solved her long lamented problems. Better surely, that she goes next year and still be fondly remembered for many years to come, than meet some unexpected fate in the future that might possibly tarnish her once great reputation. I feel that with the current mass building/mass production of modern day ships, we are fast approaching the end of the true Maritime icons. Ships (not just cruise ships) are no longer unique, they are just names and numbers, without a distinctive profile to mark them out, at distance. We should cherish those that are still left, and whilst they are with us, then sadly say our fond farewells to those icons, who have sadly, yet thankfully, served their time. Amen to them all.
  45. 2 points
    Pesky Pirate

    P&O have done it again!!!

    I wonder whether it might be a bit tactical as well. Most cruisers spend any remaining obc on the last day of the cruise, now they can’t so any left goes back into PandO’s coffers...
  46. 2 points
    sammy sun

    P&O have done it again!!!

    Couldn't agree with you more on this afcandrew. I too have criticised P&O for quite a few things over the years but shutting the shops for the last few days of a cruise is something that wouldn't bother me in the slightest. They'll still offer the same "sales" throughout the cruise, right up until the last day so why all the fuss? Of course it's just my opinion but I'm with you completely on this. I think they deserve to be criticised for certain things but this isn't one of them.
  47. 2 points
    afcandrew

    P&O have done it again!!!

    I really can't see the issue here. I know we all like different things about cruising but the op says that the shops will be closed for the last few days of the cruise. Surely that's no real hardship? I know that P&O are not perfect and have criticised them myself in the past but this doesn't seem to be a big deal.
  48. 2 points
    sinbad10

    P&O have done it again!!!

    But it amazes me P&O consistently do these tricks on their customers but they still book with them.
  49. 2 points
    Captain Kidd II

    New from P&O

    Why do we always come back to the issue of wages and gratuities with any service change? I have just come back from a week away on a land based holiday and must say the food was excellent and plentiful, the drinks flowed from 10:00 - midnight and were "free" (all inclusive) and there was nothing about htips and gratuities. These European workers were perfectly happy with their work so why do we always think people on ships are treated badly - it is not the case. If people did not take booze onboard with them then sales would dramatically increase. I you want/need a drink whilst getting ready for the evening then just purchase them from the bar and take them back to the cabin. Increased sales would be the best way of protecting jobs.
  50. 2 points
    sinbad10

    New from P&O

    I suppose the spin they have put on it to the staff about the serving of more tables is that the more people they serve the more gratuities they will get.
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