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hi..googel it  just put in 16 cruise ships.. dailey mail for one..but there is lots up there... could all be a load of rubbish just like the passive smoking numbers...lots have admitted they told porkeys becase of the stigma and they had smoked in the passed ... some because the thought they would not get prompt treatment...and then the ones who had private ins but told porkyes to save $

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yes well said tally if someone feels that strongly about there health DONT CRUISE..and if you feel that strongly about the e.cig and balcony ban DONT CRUISE.....but one thing tally it looks like you think we was on there fun or our own enjoyment ?....we was not ..did we enjoy the cruise? yes we did .look at it like this I have a dog I take it for a walk if it poos I bag it up ....I don't leave the mess behind for someone else....[but some people do]...its the same thing as cruising it leaves pollution and allsorts of mess for others ..but by putting the cruise lines under pressure to clean up there ships we will make it much safer for all and less damage to world....all this e.cig and balconies thing its just so crazy ..let them use there e.cigs ..let them smoke on balconies its nothing not even a drip in the ocean or 1 pebble on a beach in comparison to the cruise ships

 

Something is not adding up here, you are talking essentially about emissions harming the earth, the smoking issue is not about the emissions effect on the earth, but the enjoyment of other passengers, with smokers becoming the minority the cruise lines have to go with the majority and please them. The two topics just dont link up, one is about harming the earth, the other is about peoples enjoyment

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Guest Solent Richard

Hi All,

I have been reading the posts now for many months and I can see that a lot of people on here are also on Cruise.co.uk forum and others (you could say I am doing a study).  The first thing I have realised is that not everyone on the forums are genuine. There are people from all walks of life and probably the cruise companies are represented (incognito).  What worries me about the anti smoking brigades' issue is that by cruising they automatically become far, far worse than any smokers anywhere in the world.  We are currently trying to understand exactly what is going on with the cruise lines - banning smoking on balconies and now even E cigarettes because of 'health issues' and in the case of E cigarettes, they 'look like someone is smoking'. 

What I am about to tell you now, you can easily verify and some of you will not like this (some of you may not even cruise again).  Cruise companies have known for years that by burning crude diesel oil (which they do 24/7), your health is at risk, especially if you sit on balconies.  It is now widely accepted that carcinogenic particles are emitted from the funnels in very, very large quantities.  16 cruise ships emit the same amount of pollution in a year as all the cars in the world put together.  In one second, they emit as much pollution into the atmosphere as all the smokers in the world do in one week.  It is becoming apparent that cruise ships are far more dangerous to health than you realise.  They damage the environment, marine life and even the ports that the ships visit are beginning to suffer.  Look at what the ships have done to Venice, the Everglades, the Great Barrier Reef and so on.  Even my local port is now looking into the pollution caused by the cruise ships.  The W.H.O. has now put diesel, especially raw diesel in exactly the same bracket as cigarette smoke (carcinogenic - cancer causing).  Other studies show that the people most at risk are truck drivers, farmers, railway workers and it would seem, most at risk, ship passengers and workers.  The mammoth engines do not stop, even in port they are continually running and polluting the atmosphere.  One cruise line in particular is trying to clean up its act but probably only because of pressure put on them.  In all honesty, cruise ship brochures should carry a warning - Cruising could seriously damage your health.  So next time you worry about a smoker on a balcony, just remember the amount of environmental damage, damage to peoples health (especially around the ports), damage to marine life etc. is being caused for your enjoyment (just like a smoker when he has a cigarette because he enjoys it).  Please now go to Google and search these words - Can cruise ship pollution cause cancer?  Do cruise ships cause environmental damage? Is raw diesel oil carcinogenic? - Please just read what there is to read and then ask yourself this question before you book another cruise - Do ya feel lucky (well, do ya?) - your choice.  If you are concerned about your health, stop worrying about someone having a cigarette on a balcony near you and start worrying about the billions of carcinogenic particles that are falling on you from the ships' funnels.

Summing up, I have cruised many times on many lines but I really don't know if I can support the cruise lines any longer after seeing the pictures on the internet of dolphins and whales washed ashore in pieces after being chopped up by the ships' props.  Birds covered in oil by ship spillages (like the Concordia).  Of course we have to have shipping, cargo ships etc are a necessity, but cruise ships are just there for our pleasure and it would seem most peoples attitude is screw the environmental damage, screw other peoples health but don't smoke near my balcony because I don't like the smell............Have fun cruising and helping to destroy so much    

 

 

Well good morning I Spy and welcome to the UK's newest and rapidly rising forum.

 

Interesting opening line you have used... "I have been reading the posts now for many months and I can see that a lot of people on here are also on xxxxxx.co.uk forum and others (you could say I am doing a study).  The first thing I have realised is that not everyone on the forums are genuine".

 

On the issue of being 'genuine' why not either use a 'genuine' name or at least the screen name you use on those other forums?

 

There, that got it off my chest. Now we can talk about smoking.

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Something is not adding up here, you are talking essentially about emissions harming the earth, the smoking issue is not about the emissions effect on the earth, but the enjoyment of other passengers, with smokers becoming the minority the cruise lines have to go with the majority and please them. The two topics just dont link up, one is about harming the earth, the other is about peoples enjoyment

 

Cracking comment Furby, good job I read down before typing my next comment: you summed up just about what i would have said next.

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In furtherance to my above comment and in support of Furby's observation, emissions from ships and aircraft have a considerably larger space into which to dump their by products.

 

Smokers on the other hand don't enjoy that luxury and their habit, with its offensive smells, impact in the more confined spaces of ships, shore side restaurants and in fact any other public place where the public gather.

 

It's probably the only piece of legislation introduced by a socialist government that i have applauded.

 

Indeed, as I write I wonder how long this thread will last as those that do smoke will no doubt soon 'raise the temperature'. 

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Well, I'll start off with I. I think if I felt that strongly about emissions etc from cruise ships. I wouldn't cruise.

 

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As a shareholder in the World's largest Cruise Company I can't really imagine I Spy being missed, even having been 'bumped' by the King & Queen of @@@@?@@

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Solent Richard replied to the OP

 

On the issue of being 'genuine' why not either use a 'genuine' name or at least the screen name you use on those other forums?

 

Eh?  Now Richard, do you know something we don't ??????  I shall nickname you Hercule Poirot

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At the risk of spoiling a good debate, people seem to have missed the point - the OP is saying why do people moan on about (little things like) smoking and smokers when there is a bigger threat (and more to be worried about) coming out the funnel.  The OP has therefore alerted us to said threat and undoubtedly hopes for things to be put into perspective and for people to look at the bigger picture. 

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At the risk of spoiling a good debate, people seem to have missed the point - the OP is saying why do people moan on about (little things like) smoking and smokers when there is a bigger threat (and more to be worried about) coming out the funnel.  The OP has therefore alerted us to said threat and undoubtedly hopes for things to be put into perspective and for people to look at the bigger picture. 

I admit my first thought was that the OP was a disgruntled smoker who could no longer smoke on a balcony. I did get his/her point later in the discussion but I find it odd that someone who feels so strongly about cruise ship emissions would continue to cruise. In spite of cruising with royaltywink.png

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It certainly is an interesting topic, and just one of many worrying issues that will affect future generations. Global warming, war, cancer, gas guzzling cars etc, and according to some - smoking on bloody cruise ship balconies! The whole world's gone mad in my opinion.
  

However, I do wonder of those who have commented saying we need to stand up and make a change - are you saying you'll now stop cruising, stop travelling on aeroplanes, stop driving cars? It's just not that simple im afraid.   

 

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Correct me if I am wrong but I thought the main reason smoking was banned on balconies was because of the fire risk of it blowing back into the cabins .. Not the unpleasant smell of it wafting over! As far as emissions from cruise ships go I'm sure the cruise companies put great amounts of money into sustainability. Most of the waste on ships is recycled and the money they put into the economies of the countries they visit would be missed it cruising stopped.

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On 9/19/2014 at 7:50 PM, Northern Star said:

Me thinks that the CHERNOBYL fallout was the most Carcinogenic thing in our time .....never mind anything else .....worry about the ongoing effects of that !

That was the Day I gave up smoking 40/50 a day ?

I lost a friend with throat cancer ,he lived along the path   that the fall out from Chernobyl,his specialist showed him a map which showed the number of cancer cases was larger within the fallout footprint ,than outside the fallout area....Davybe  

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Well ... There is an "e" in emmission so have have to think I! The one thing that has been proven is that the biggest killer is the use of metal coat hangers. From research it is a certainty that the vast majority of people who have died in Europe over the past 60 years placed some of their clothes on a metal coat hanger at some point so it must be them that are the greatest risk rather than diesel fumes, smoking or, perhaps even more pertinent, the emissions from cows backsides! Talikng of which what a load of xxxx. 

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It is worth recording that due to legislation both local and national, changes are afloat in respect to cruise ship propulsion emissions.

Sulphur scrubbers are being retro-fitted, in part to reduce acid rain, sulphuric acid.

Specific blends of low sulphur fuel oil are now being required within the coastal waters of a number of countries, leading to ships bunkering two fuels.

Some port authorities are providing electrical connectors to berthed ships, enabling their engines to be shut down.

New-build cruise ships, including one for P&O, are being specified to use LNG fuel.

However, one cannot imagine a scrappage allowance being introduced. I recall that TS Canberra was sold for scrap as being obsolete in using heavy fuel oil, older members may well recall the lumps of soot across decks and furniture.

A final thought with regards to CO2, the melting tundra is releasing amounts beyond our comprehension .

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