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single supplements are the cruise lines losing out.

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having just come back from a 24 night cruise on p&o various conversations with other singles on board led me to wonder if in fact the cruise lines are losing out by charging a supplement so high often 100% on some lines.

maybe it was just the demographic of the cruise i was on but a large number were older couple whose sole intent seemed to be to have a zero on board account at the end of the cruise and pretty much all the singletons of many ages seemed to frequent the livelier bars and casino and had quite high on board accounts. most far exceeded the supplement they had paid. and all the singletons said that they would cruise more often where it not for the single supplement.

now i am sure someone with access to the requisite profit and loss etc may shoot me down but someone with a high cabin spend cruising more often must be of more benefit than a couple with next to no spend even if they go more than once a year. a lot of the deck 9 residents as i called them repeat that same cruise or something similar each year it seemed but only a few cruised at other times.

thoughts anyone?

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Hi  The high single charged by most cruise lines and for that matter land based holidays is often a bone of contention amongst solo passengers.   It is obvious that the entire holiday industry is out of date with current living arrangements as there is more single households in the UK than there are  "nuclear families".   The industry bases the fares on the full occupancy of the available cabins, and probably believe that solo passengers have a larger disposable income and are willing to pay the hefty supplements.  I agree with your assessment that most single cruisers are likely to have a larger than average on board spend and would cruise more regularly if the prices charged were closer to that paid by couples.  I am a single cruiser and I never pay a huge single supplement but I am fortunate that I can cruise at any time of the year and I am not confined to undertaking cruises to and from the UK and find that I can always find a suitable cruise at a reasonable fare.  P&O and Cunard are two cruise lines which definitely penalise solo passengers with large single supplements but other "better" lines such as Azamara often only add a 25% supplements on their cruises meaning I can often have a more refined product for a lower boarding fare

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thats the biggest problem i have at the moment as i cannot fly at the moment until they resolve a medical issue so i need holidays in or to and from the uk. it severely restricts your choice of operators. and murphys law applies they happen to be the ones with the biggest supplements.

its galling as it happens i have far more flexibility regarding when i can go and how often i can go than ever before only to find the cost prohibitive at worst, restrictive at best. still at least i am fortunate enough to be able to have holidays i appreciate many cant and i dont want to appear a grinch. i have no problem paying a fair price for a product but i do feel many cruiselines take advantage.

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When  you price up a hotel room on the UK what do they do regarding single occupancy , bet they do not half the price/ you are often using a room made to accommodate two people ,which is what they price the room at, If you get a single room, on a ship or ashore it is not half the price of a double....Davybe

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no i accept that although most specifically single rooms are cheaper than a double and that is why usually i book my own holidays as particularly in the states a hotel room costs x regardless of no of occupants flight costs y. total cost of holiday is considerably cheaper than package from agent with single supplement. but you cant tell me p&o and others need a supplement of 100% to make a profit.

also my point was that particularly on the cruise i was on most of the "couples" on deck 9 spent virtually nothing whilst on board whereas the "singles" spent a considerable amount in comparison. even the single berths now appearing on some ships are still almost the same price if not more in some cases than single occupency of a double cabin. i am not saying there is no justification for a supplement i question the level of that supplement.

also usually over the last 10 years i have gone to las vegas partly as its cheaper to source my own hotel and flight but also the hotel/casino comp you on your spend and many times ive had several nights if not all comped. there is no such benefit on a cruise.

nowadays even supermarkets give you perks based on what and how often you spend.

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I have said something very similar to you in the past Mitch.  It does seem that the majority of solo pax get out of their cabins and drink in the bars.  Also, on balance, I think more solo pax are inclined to buy a ship's excursion rather than explore destinations independently.

I do understand the argument that hotels don't do good deals for solos too but feel it is a bit different on a ships where so much is included.

There are two other things I find very annoying.  Firstly, that cruise lines create single cabins - and usually 'crow' about them but then charge a significant mark-up, even though it is a single cabin.  Secondly, you see deals on some departures where the fare for two pax is less than half the original cost but then the cruise line still wants to charge a very high price if you want to travel solo.

For the first time, I have got a fairly decent deal sailing solo - on a Thomson cruise to Cuba early next year.  The price in a designated single cabin (which is actually a small double) is less than 20% more than the cost for two travelling.

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that is good. there are lines out there who are begining to be reasonable. unfortunateley as i cant fly i am stuck with cunard/p&0 unless i wanted a tour of the uk or norwegian fjords neither of which appeal. i just thought they were missing a trick in that a higher on board spend would more than make up for a lower boarding price.

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in future i will afc at the moment i have booked for the itineries rather than cost but once ive done those i will be able to look for last minute stuff. ive looked at a couple of their late deals and they seem pretty good option. i wanted to try a longer cruise to see if i liked the sea days hence the 24 day one and in 2019 i am doing the back to back cunard to/from new york just cos ive always fancied it.

next year ive booked an april canaries cruise and then i will look to pick up a late deal july/aug.

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