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Are you a dress code follower or not.

Over the years cruising has changed regarding the dress code,

Cunard still very formal ,with men required to wear a jacket in the MDR for diner.

P&O they request you wear ,Formal wear or lounge suite, not being adhered to.

Celebrity they now have even Chic which means please yourself if you want to dress up do so .

Personally I do not care what others wear (Within Reason) at any meal, we tend to follow the recommend dress code ,but should these codes be enforced as some people think, even some saying they should be made o eat in their cabin.Most ship's including Cunard have Areas (The Buffet) where you can eat .....Davybe

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I believe dress codes are part of cruising. You don’t want to be sitting next to someone in a sweaty tee shirt or worse at dinner. Although I do think that they have to get the balance right. It used to be 4 or 5 formals on a 2 week cruise anymore would be too much. Casual in my view doesn’t mean jeans but at least decent trousers and shirt etc.

To a degree they should be enforced 

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8 minutes ago, Tinkerbell said:

I agree with Pesky Pirate.  If people don't want to dress up they should choose a cruise line where they don't need to.

Most cruise ship's I have sailed on have dining places that never need you to dress up for, Usually the Buffet , but some speciality restaurants  have a smart casual dress code.....Davybe

Even Cunard allow you to eat in the Buffet ,and when we were on QE quite a few opted for the Buffet at night.

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1 hour ago, Pesky Pirate said:

I believe dress codes are part of cruising. You don’t want to be sitting next to someone in a sweaty tee shirt or worse at dinner. Although I do think that they have to get the balance right. It used to be 4 or 5 formals on a 2 week cruise anymore would be too much. Casual in my view doesn’t mean jeans but at least decent trousers and shirt etc.

To a degree they should be enforced 

I would think that when they put the dress code on the paper work they could perhaps tell guest where it applies, and what other choices they have?....Davybe

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in recent times ive only been with p&o and on their ships you can always dine in the buffet if you dont want to dress according to the suggested dress code. so i personnally have no problem in adhering to the dress code and would not object to it being enforced. although i have to say i have never seen anyone not dressing in accordance with the code.

i have though had other diners and passengers complaining about what other passengers are wearing, but i have to say they conformed with the dress code other individuals may not like the style or color of their attire but they conform with the dress code. smart/tailored trousers shirt with collar etc. i have never seen anyone not dress formally on a formal night always either full tux or lounge suit.

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I agree with Mitch - formal nights are when most dress up. If you choose not to then you can eat in the buffet. I, for one, wear dark denim jeans on casual nights which get looks from the die hards but is acceptable according to the rules. 😂

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Firstly you cannot enforce a dress code which is why it is always a 'Recommended' dress code. If you try and stop someone entering a dining room and they insist what will the people on the door do!!! It certainly won't be physically stopping the person. That would be an assault and some how I don't think cruise lines would welcome the publicity.

Whilst I appreciate that some people like dressing up there are many others who follow the dress code but do not enjoy it and others who avoid ships with a recommended dress code. I have just come off Azura on a 13 night TA from Barbados. We had no formal nights whilst in the Caribbean but once we began the crossing it was every other night which many, including myself thought was OTT. On the third one we decided to ignore it and eat in the buffet. It was packed with people in casual attire. Not sweaty tee shirts and shorts but smart country casual. I took the opportunity to ask some questions and the resounding answer was people were getting fed up with formal nights and wanted smart casual as now used by most 5 and 6 star lines. One gentleman from Yorkshire said he would be happy to wear formal when the food and ambience was that as advertised by Rob Brydon. Good point I thought, I didn't see Scallops on the menu once. 2 out of the 3 restaurants on Azura are now Freedom Dining, signs of the times, something I predicted some years ago but got shouted down. I still wager that formal nights will not exist on any cruise line in 5-10 years time. P&O are selling off the smaller ships and moving to bigger ones that will attract a younger clientele who don't want to dress in dinner suits. Yes formal dress and dressing for dinner was tradition but in Victorian times and times have changed. I am still waiting to see the reaction when a pacific islander turns up on a formal night wearing a Sulu, open neck white casual shirt and sandals, it is after all their 'formal' dress.  Wonder what the die hards would say!!!!

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7 hours ago, Oldworldtraveller said:

once we began the crossing it was every other night which many, including myself thought was OTT.

I agree OWT way over the top, formal nights used to be special but when they are every other night it gets boring.

One a week is more than enough and it keeps that special feel, I suspect more would adhere if that was the case.

HLM.

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2 hours ago, HLM said:

I agree OWT way over the top, formal nights used to be special but when they are every other night it gets boring.

One a week is more than enough and it keeps that special feel, I suspect more would adhere if that was the case.

HLM.

For me no more than 3 formal nights on a 14 night cruise, nice to give a nod to the old days and tradition's of cruising ,but lets face it who wears a diner jacket when eating out these days...Davybe

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On 3/23/2018 at 9:07 AM, Davybe said:

Are you a dress code follower or not.

Over the years cruising has changed regarding the dress code,

Cunard still very formal ,with men required to wear a jacket in the MDR for diner.

P&O they request you wear ,Formal wear or lounge suite, not being adhered to.

Celebrity they now have even Chic which means please yourself if you want to dress up do so .

Personally I do not care what others wear (Within Reason) at any meal, we tend to follow the recommend dress code ,but should these codes be enforced as some people think, even some saying they should be made o eat in their cabin.Most ship's including Cunard have Areas (The Buffet) where you can eat .....Davybe

Hi Davybe,

In answer to your original question - yes, my wife and I, together with our regular cruising friends, are dress code followers.  Doesn't mean we look to cruise on lines that offer formal nights in preference to others but, if there is a stated dress code, we like to think we can "dress to impress", as they say and hope that fellow cruisers will follow suit (sorry for the pun!!).

Speaking personally, the day I feel I have to go to a buffet for my evening meal would probably signal the end of my cruising. 

DavidH

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I have to agree with DavidH, my husband and I enjoy the odd formal night to us it is part of the holiday. As the are normally kept for sea days it is not a problem. I have seen people being asked to respect the code in a couple of the bars onboard. Long may it last

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4 hours ago, Countrygirl said:

I have to agree with DavidH, my husband and I enjoy the odd formal night to us it is part of the holiday. As the are normally kept for sea days it is not a problem. I have seen people being asked to respect the code in a couple of the bars onboard. Long may it last

The odd night is fine but we had them every other night, 4 in 8 nights. I see the questionnaire sent by email now has quite a few questions about likes and dislikes of dress code and formal dress/nights. This to me indicates there may be a thought that on certain ships they may be contemplating doing away with it/them especially when the new mega ships arrive. 

As always just my personal thoughts. 

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yes owt every other night is too much. i personally keep to the dress code and dont mind the formal nights.i did a 24nighter on arcadia but there were a max of 2 per week which i thought was ok. i wont even mind having to wear a jacket when i go on cunard next year but draw the line at adding a tie lol.

many years ago i was on an ncl ship when they tried no fixed dining and no dress code as such although they did have a grand ball night but that was one night out of 14. i didnt enjoy the cruise at all finding a restaurant at the time you wanted to dine was a farce.yes they had a lot a different restaurants but if one was particularly popular one night it caused chaos. and the lack of dress code made it feel considerably less of a special holiday in my eyes.

whilst i enjoy dusting off the old dj for a holiday i wouldnt lose any sleep if  they did away with formal. but i would hope a reasonable dress code is kept.

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As I have mentioned before Mitch most of the 6 star lines have already ditched the formal nights for 'Country Casual' and those that have retained them have cut them down. Eventually they will go as will set dining times. I have just come off P&O Azura and 2 of their 3 restaurants are now Freedom Dining. It's not for everyone but I prefer it so I can fit it around shore excursions, entertainment etc. Azamara operate both, 'Country Casual' and 'Freedom Dining' and it works very well.

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I note on other forums that Cunard appear to be changing their dress code instead of "formal" and "informal" to "Gala evening" and "Smart attire". Cunard are stating it's just a simple change of wording and the dress codes remain unchanged, yet others are more sceptical stating it is following the HAL model, which will be a lot more casual so may not even require the dreaded jacket all night.

Time will tell.

HLM.

 

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16 hours ago, HLM said:

I note on other forums that Cunard appear to be changing their dress code instead of "formal" and "informal" to "Gala evening" and "Smart attire". Cunard are stating it's just a simple change of wording and the dress codes remain unchanged, yet others are more sceptical stating it is following the HAL model, which will be a lot more casual so may not even require the dreaded jacket all night.

Time will tell.

HLM.

 

I have been reading the same thing, seems like things will change very little ,and at the present they allow no Jacket on fly cruises (first night) .I prefer Celebrities approach where it is up to you on Elegant Chic nights ,the minimum dress code is smart casual, with or without a jacket.

When we were on QE we were talking about the dress code over lunch, I was Saying " the jacket required on casual nights seemed a bit daft? like these stars who wear a tailor made three piece suit and no tie" this lady said "this letting men take their tie of is the thin edge of the wedge, they will have all sorts of Riff Raff on the ship" A radical change in the dress code would have in rehab.....Davybe

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17 hours ago, HLM said:

I note on other forums that Cunard appear to be changing their dress code instead of "formal" and "informal" to "Gala evening" and "Smart attire". Cunard are stating it's just a simple change of wording and the dress codes remain unchanged, yet others are more sceptical stating it is following the HAL model, which will be a lot more casual so may not even require the dreaded jacket all night.

Time will tell.

HLM.

 

to me that is just different words for the same thing, i think 'smart attire' is clearer than 'informal' and i think cunard customers will generally keep up the tradition of dressing up

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1 hour ago, Furby said:

to me that is just different words for the same thing, i think 'smart attire' is clearer than 'informal' and i think cunard customers will generally keep up the tradition of dressing up

Sorry but I disagree especially for first time cruisers with Cunard who have cruised with other cruise lines. They will be used to Smart Attire meaning open necked shirt and trousers with no jacket and they will assume the same for Cunard and will therefore plan and pack accordingly. Sorry but think it is the thin edge of the wedge and especially on informal/smart attire evenings standards of dress will be lower standard.

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1 hour ago, Furby said:

to me that is just different words for the same thing, i think 'smart attire' is clearer than 'informal' and i think cunard customers will generally keep up the tradition of dressing up

Well I took this from another source "SMART ATTIRE’ the major change seem to be that now a more ‘Relaxed Attire; which includes jeans can now be worn any pretty well everywhere in the ship every evening,  FOOD COURTS, GOLDEN LION PUB, CASINO, CARINTHIA LOUNGE/WINTER GARDENS, AND NIGHT CLUBS/G32/YACHT CLUB - JEANS ARE NOW APPROPRIATE FOR EVENINGS"

So at the moment if the above is correct I can't say it means the same thing, this would be a significant down grade, just my opinion though.

HLM.

 

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1 hour ago, Davybe said:

I have been reading the same thing, seems like things will change very little ,and at the present they allow no Jacket on fly cruises (first night) .I prefer Celebrities approach where it is up to you on Elegant Chic nights ,the minimum dress code is smart casual, with or without a jacket.

When we were on QE we were talking about the dress code over lunch, I was Saying " the jacket required on casual nights seemed a bit daft? like these stars who wear a tailor made three piece suit and no tie" this lady said "this letting men take their tie of is the thin edge of the wedge, they will have all sorts of Riff Raff on the ship" A radical change in the dress code would have in rehab.....Davybe

As per my previous post the change will impact on other areas of the ship, someone in jeans sitting next to another in full formal attire doesn't quite add up to the golden age of cruising which Cunard promotes.

HLM.

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33 minutes ago, HLM said:

Well I took this from another source "SMART ATTIRE’ the major change seem to be that now a more ‘Relaxed Attire; which includes jeans can now be worn any pretty well everywhere in the ship every evening,  FOOD COURTS, GOLDEN LION PUB, CASINO, CARINTHIA LOUNGE/WINTER GARDENS, AND NIGHT CLUBS/G32/YACHT CLUB - JEANS ARE NOW APPROPRIATE FOR EVENINGS"

So at the moment if the above is correct I can't say it means the same thing, this would be a significant down grade, just my opinion though.

HLM.

 

'from another source' so is that someones opinion or official statement from cunard? also its unlikely you will get someone in jeans sat next to someone in formal wear as even if people interpret smart attire differently, formal is still a seperat 'gala night'

 

personally i go from cunards official site which states -

https://ask.cunard.com/help/cunard/life-on-board/dress_code?_ga=2.145445366.355351227.1522322387-1573950207.1472120290

Evenings

Evenings will be split into 2 different dress codes. You will be notified of the evening's dress code in your Daily Programme. As a guide, these will be:

 

Formal: (gala)
Evening wear consists of an evening or cocktail dress or smart trouser suit for ladies.  A tuxedo, dinner jacket or dark suit with appropriate neck wear for men or you may wear formal national dress and military uniform.

Informal (Jacket Required): (smart attire)
Evenings would consist of a required jacket and optional tie for gentlemen, whilst ladies should wear cocktail dresses, stylish separates or equivalent. No jeans or shorts.

Informal (Jacket Optional): 
The Informal (Jacket Optional) dress code amendment applies to Queen Victoria's summer fly Mediterranean season on embarkation days only, in Athens, Barcelona, Rome and Venice. Queen Mary 2 and Queen Elizabeth will continue to have the standard Formal and Informal (Jacket Required) dress codes. The ship's newspaper will confirm the dress code of the day.  

Guests who have Athens, Barcelona, Rome and Venice as a port during their voyage and are already settled in on board are encouraged to wear a jacket. 

Please note that after 6:00pm, shorts and blue or worn denim (for men and women); sandals and sleeveless tops (for men) are not considered appropriate within the ship.

On formal nights, any guests wishing to dress more casually are welcome to dine in the Kings Court or Lido restaurants and relax in the Carinthia Lounge, Winter Garden, Garden Lounge, Yacht Club, G32 or on the open decks. Please do not use other areas within the ship, including The Verandah restaurant, out of respect for our fellow guests. 

 

clearly states no jeans

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42 minutes ago, HLM said:

As per my previous post the change will impact on other areas of the ship, someone in jeans sitting next to another in full formal attire doesn't quite add up to the golden age of cruising which Cunard promotes.

HLM.

To be honest the. way I read it they have just changed the wording ,the dress code is the same .I have not been able to find any official statement from Cunard.

As Furby's post says that is the dress code at the moment....Davybe

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13 minutes ago, Davybe said:

To be honest the. way I read it they have just changed the wording ,the dress code is the same .I have not been able to find any official statement from Cunard.

As Furby's post says that is the dress code at the moment....Davybe

"At the moment" is the key, Cunard have changed the wording on their website three times in as many days.

The way I see it that if there is to be no change why change anything and as a result confuse everyone, it doesn't make any sense. I suspect in the near future things will become very clear and I suspect many Cunard followers may be disappointed.

One particular post from a very well known Cunarder said a lot, if she thinks it's changing then I'm very inclined to believe it.

As I said time will tell.

HLM.

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