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1 hour ago, HLM said:

If we were all the same the forum would be boring.

HLM.

You are obviously a very arrogant person who always either thinks he is right or has to have the final say. Thankfully as you have previously said you have never cruised with Cunard even though  keep on posting about Cunard  as long as you carry on not cruising with Cunard our paths will never cross.

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17 minutes ago, sinbad10 said:

You are obviously a very arrogant person who always either thinks he is right or has to have the final say. Thankfully as you have previously said you have never cruised with Cunard even though  keep on posting about Cunard  as long as you carry on not cruising with Cunard our paths will never cross.

Why am I arrogant? You couldn't be further from the truth,  I am entitled to my opinion just like any other person on this forum.

What I will always do though is reply to those who seem to think it's ok to have a dig at me, stones and greenhouses come to mind, If people don't like what I have to say then they don't have to reply, it's that simple.

HLM.

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At the end of the day this is a forum. Unless posters have met on cruises we don’t know who each other are and subsequently we don’t know which cruise line individuals have cruised with. Anyone can say that they have cruised with this line or that. There is no proof. I, therefore , think that we shouldn’t end up criticising others views or beliefs on topics. In relation to dress codes until such time as an itinerary stipulating the codes for a specific cruise is released and what those codes are then the conversations are hypothetical. Age demographics also changes with each cruise no matter which ship you are on and you will always get a younger demographic during school holidays.

Also being in a wheelchair or having to use an aid to walk doesn’t always relate to the elderly.

i shall now put my hard hat on ready for the firing line that I am bound to get.

happy Easter

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I had not intended replying to any more of your posts however it is quite obvious you have some sort of problem with me as you continually aim to disagree with anything I post which of course is your prerogative and I certainly don’t expect anyone to agree with me but the nitpicking is quite unnecessary, you now seem to think it is ok to appoint yourself as the ‘forum police’ and demand people ( ie: ‘me’ ) provide proof of what initially was a perfectly pleasant reply to your own post about the age demographics on Cunard v P&O .. at the risk of being chastised for repeating myself again this is what I actually said:
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HLM I'm pleased you used the words 'Cunard in general SEEM to attract the older more traditional type cruiser ' I can assure you nothing could be further from the truth and the age demographics are pretty much the same as P&O .. children to pensioners and the majority seem to enjoy the tradition, perhaps in years to come tradition will be phased out but as Mitch says there is still a market for it and it's 'our generation' who have the disposable income at the moment.
 
Now you are perfectly entitled to form your own opinion about anything I post what you are not entitled to do is basically call me a liar, granted I used the word ‘qualified by experience’ but aren’t most forum posts from ‘experience’ which qualifies the poster to make them ?? I may have quoted you but it was also information for other members reading the forum who might be considering sailing with Cunard in the future and comments like yours just might put them off, I also said Cunard isn’t as formal as some like to make out ..  again said from experience, do I need to prove that too !!!
 
As far as I’m concerned I was not unpleasant to you in any way and I just offered as advice something which might assist other members, you seem to think it is ok for you to post what you read on other forums whilst never having stepped on a Cunard ship and yet I who have years of Cunard experience and see what I see with my own eyes in your opinion is questionable, perhaps you could explain to me why I would want to mislead anyone.
 
I will now leave this thread but please be assured I will continue to offer the benefit of my experience to others perhaps you might like to do the same after all you’ve probably been on ships others haven’t and like most things ‘experience’ will tell us what the brochures don’t.
 
If I could just finally say I think your posts are made to bait me and whatever your intentions are it won’t work, this forum is no place for past vendetta’s ( yes I do know who you are ) and it’s membership do not come on here to witness ‘spats’ so in future I will not respond to any of your baiting but rest assured I will be requesting Bolsover admin remove any offending content directed at me should you wish to continue with it.

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3 minutes ago, Pesky Pirate said:

At the end of the day this is a forum. Unless posters have met on cruises we don’t know who each other are and subsequently we don’t know which cruise line individuals have cruised with. Anyone can say that they have cruised with this line or that. There is no proof. I, therefore , think that we shouldn’t end up criticising others views or beliefs on topics. In relation to dress codes until such time as an itinerary stipulating the codes for a specific cruise is released and what those codes are then the conversations are hypothetical. Age demographics also changes with each cruise no matter which ship you are on and you will always get a younger demographic during school holidays.

Also being in a wheelchair or having to use an aid to walk doesn’t always relate to the elderly.

i shall now put my hard hat on ready for the firing line that I am bound to get.

happy Easter

Happy Easter to you too PP 

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30 minutes ago, HLM said:

Why am I arrogant? You couldn't be further from the truth,  I am entitled to my opinion just like any other person on this forum.

What I will always do though is reply to those who seem to think it's ok to have a dig at me, stones and greenhouses come to mind, If people don't like what I have to say then they don't have to reply, it's that simple.

HLM.

Because you comment and think you are an expert on Cunard when even by your own admission you have never been on a Cunard ship. But you think that because you have read other peoples posts and listened to those that have cruised on Cunard gives you an expert opinion to talk to people how you do as if you know it all and you clearly dont. You cannot have an opinion and chat bout a subject that you have no knowledge through personal experience only second hand knowledge that you dont know whether is true or not.

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1 hour ago, *Dancing Queen* said:

I will be requesting Bolsover admin remove any offending content directed at me should you wish to continue with it.

I take exception to the allegation that I've posted offending material about you, we simply disagree with each other simple as that, now please don't try and make it anything more than that.

I don't know you from Adam and vice versa, despite your claims of a past vendetta.

I've been on this forum for sometime now and have no vendettas with anyone, so please refrain from going down that Road.

HLM.

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1 hour ago, sinbad10 said:

Because you comment and think you are an expert on Cunard when even by your own admission you have never been on a Cunard ship. But you think that because you have read other peoples posts and listened to those that have cruised on Cunard gives you an expert opinion to talk to people how you do as if you know it all and you clearly dont. You cannot have an opinion and chat bout a subject that you have no knowledge through personal experience only second hand knowledge that you dont know whether is true or not.

It matters not whether I've cruised Cunard or not and I'm well aware that I'm no expert on Cunard but fact is what I've quoted has turned out to be the truth in regards the dress code.

Now I know Cunarders defend them to the extreme but this really does take the biscuit, just accept they are changing and move on.

HLM.

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2 hours ago, Pesky Pirate said:

At the end of the day this is a forum. Unless posters have met on cruises we don’t know who each other are and subsequently we don’t know which cruise line individuals have cruised with. Anyone can say that they have cruised with this line or that. There is no proof. I, therefore , think that we shouldn’t end up criticising others views or beliefs on topics. In relation to dress codes until such time as an itinerary stipulating the codes for a specific cruise is released and what those codes are then the conversations are hypothetical. Age demographics also changes with each cruise no matter which ship you are on and you will always get a younger demographic during school holidays.

Also being in a wheelchair or having to use an aid to walk doesn’t always relate to the elderly.

i shall now put my hard hat on ready for the firing line that I am bound to get.

happy Easter

No need for a 'Hard Hat' PP. What you say makes sense. You are also correct about not all people in wheel chairs and and those using walking aids being senior citizens, my 14 rear old granddaughter uses a wheel chair at times. However I think you would agree that in the majority of cases it is the senior citizens who require these aids especially on board cruise ships, or at least that is my experience of Cunard and P&O. Happy Easter PP and to all forum members.

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On 30/03/2018 at 12:05 PM, HLM said:

Please anyone don't take this the wrong way, but I would say we've got a generation thing here.

Cunard in general seem to attract the older more traditional type cruiser and this is where they've been very successful in years gone by, unfortunately for them that generation are becoming fewer and far between therefore they have no option other than to target a younger audience, and that means more casual attire.

Jenjen & DQ, unfortunately I believe you are now in that minority group who prefer formal attire, nothing wrong with that of course and I encourage you to continue to wear your formal wardrobe at every opportunity, but I think it's inevitable that this will be phased out within the next few years, especially if Cunard want to compete in this market.

We can of course speak with our feet and walk away, but where would we go as most other lines out there are already smart casual?

HLM.

 

im 28 and love cunard :)

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also had this reply from cunard

 

We have completed extensive global research with over 13,000 guests who told us that they love the glamour of a Cunard voyage; the chance to dress up is something that is becoming increasingly rare yet increasingly desirable.

We are not making any changes to the dress code but we are updating the language that we use to describe the evening attire on board:

During the day, feel free to relax and dress as you please in all areas of the ship.

From 6pm on 'Informal' nights, we ask that you wear smart attire in most of our bars, restaurants and entertainment venues. On our much-anticipated Gala evenings, dress attire is Formal. We invite you to dress to impress and celebrate with us. There are two or three of these Gala evenings for every seven days of your voyage.

Informal/Smart Attire: Gentlemen, every night we request you wear smart trousers with a shirt and jacket; tie is optional. Ladies, blouses and skirts or stylish trousers and dresses are welcome.

Formal/Gala Evenings: It’s Showtime. Dinner jacket, tuxedo, or dark suit for the men with a regular tie or bow tie. Evening or cocktail dress, smart trouser suit, or formal separates for the ladies please.

Of course, if you prefer to spend your evenings in more relaxed attire, feel free to dress casually as you visit any of the following venues: Kings Court or Lido Buffet, Golden Lion, Casino, Carinthia Lounge, Winter Garden/Winter Lounge and G32 or Yacht Club. Non-ripped jeans are appropriate, but please refrain from wearing shorts, sports attire, swim wear or sleeveless t-shirts outside of the gym, spa and deck spaces.


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On 30/03/2018 at 12:05 PM, HLM said:

Please anyone don't take this the wrong way, but I would say we've got a generation thing here.

Cunard in general seem to attract the older more traditional type cruiser and this is where they've been very successful in years gone by, unfortunately for them that generation are becoming fewer and far between therefore they have no option other than to target a younger audience, and that means more casual attire.

Jenjen & DQ, unfortunately I believe you are now in that minority group who prefer formal attire, nothing wrong with that of course and I encourage you to continue to wear your formal wardrobe at every opportunity, but I think it's inevitable that this will be phased out within the next few years, especially if Cunard want to compete in this market.

We can of course speak with our feet and walk away, but where would we go as most other lines out there are already smart casual?

HLM.

 

before i sailed on them i would of agreed with your assumptions that cunard is for the older generation, however having gone on both p&o and cunard i have to agree with other people who have posted on this topic, the age range is very similar.

you are of course entitled to your opinion, but, as you said, you have never sailed on cunard, and are argueing with poeple who have, and personaly i would value experience from someone who has travelled with the cruise line, rather than aassumptions from other opinions

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4 hours ago, Furby said:

before i sailed on them i would of agreed with your assumptions that cunard is for the older generation, however having gone on both p&o and cunard i have to agree with other people who have posted on this topic, the age range is very similar.

you are of course entitled to your opinion, but, as you said, you have never sailed on cunard, and are argueing with poeple who have, and personaly i would value experience from someone who has travelled with the cruise line, rather than aassumptions from other opinions

Hi Furby I appreciate your input, but until proved otherwise I'll stick to my opinion.

HLM.

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Cunard tend to have more international cruisers even when sailing from Southampton, where P&O is 99% British, which I think brings the age of cruisers downwards and find there not much difference in age range overall between Cunard and P&O. You can always pick out isolated cruises but having cruised on Oriana and Arcadia which is very much older cruisers raises the average age over the whole fleet.

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Could I ask you how you see it as a dumbing down of dress codes considering you’ve never been on a Cunard ship so wouldn’t know, what Cunard have done is illustrate the type of clothes which they obviously consider are acceptable dress and ok it might not appeal to you or me but that is all it is an ‘illustration’ to assist people especially new cruisers who otherwise might have no idea of what type of dress to expect, some seem to think Cunard is all about sequins and tiaras which couldn’t be further from the truth but they do have standards which is why many cruise with them and no doubt will continue to do so as long as those standards are maintained.

The only dumbing down I can see is that in certain venues it will now be acceptable for jeans to be worn, the current terminology for dress codes is being altered to smart attire/gala .. the guidelines within that change remain the same as they were before so hardly dumbing down, it has never been a requirement in the buffet or the winter gardens to wear a jacket and tie and the relaxed codes will imo have very little effect on the rest of the ship. 

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1 hour ago, *Dancing Queen* said:

Could I ask you how you see it as a dumbing down of dress codes considering you’ve never been on a Cunard ship so wouldn’t know

I really don't need to have sailed on a Cunard ship to know what formal/gala dress looks like, unless of course Cunard have exclusivity on formal/gala wear or whatever they call it nowadays.

You can defend all you want but at the end of the day some of the suggested wear on show in the link is laughable, I'd go as far to say it doesn't even conform to formal attire.

By your own admission you say they are dumping down in certain venues because they are allowing jeans etc, that to me suggests you're in agreement with me to some extent.

Whether you agree or not this is just the start.

HLM.

 

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Well excuse me HLM but anyone who forms an opinion without actually sailing on a ship is never really going to be taken seriously, what Cunard have aimed to do is show .. long/short or trousers people will fit in, after all what suits one doesn't suit another and all they are doing is showing it isn't all about 'sequins and tiaras' as many seem to think it is.

I'm not defending them at all ... I don't need to !! what I wouldn't do is assume I know everything there is to know about any ship based on what I had read online, as they say there is nothing like experience to know the facts.

And no I am not admitting to anything or agreeing with you that they are dumbing down by allowing jeans in a couple of extra venues, they are simply accommodating those who don't always wish to dress formally/informally by making a couple of venues accessible to them which is no big deal as far as I'm concerned.

So you think it is just the start ?? well as you are not a Cunarder I assume you have reached that conclusion from 'second hand information' it might happen in the future but not anytime soon !!

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16 minutes ago, *Dancing Queen* said:


Well excuse me HLM but anyone who forms an opinion without actually sailing on a ship is never really going to be taken seriously, what Cunard have aimed to do is show .. long/short or trousers people will fit in, after all what suits one doesn't suit another and all they are doing is showing it isn't all about 'sequins and tiaras' as many seem to think it is.

I'm not defending them at all ... I don't need to !! what I wouldn't do is assume I know everything there is to know about any ship based on what I had read online, as they say there is nothing like experience to know the facts.

And no I am not admitting to anything or agreeing with you that they are dumbing down by allowing jeans in a couple of extra venues, they are simply accommodating those who don't always wish to dress formally/informally by making a couple of venues accessible to them which is no big deal as far as I'm concerned.

So you think it is just the start ?? well as you are not a Cunarder I assume you have reached that conclusion from 'second hand information' it might happen in the future but not anytime soon !!

HLM is an expert on anything Cunard because he has read a few forums.

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29 minutes ago, *Dancing Queen* said:


Well excuse me HLM but anyone who forms an opinion without actually sailing on a ship is never really going to be taken seriously,

Are so someone has to of sailed Cunard to have an opinion on formal attire.

Behave DQ for goodness sake.

HLM.

 

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21 minutes ago, sinbad10 said:

HLM is an expert on anything Cunard because he has read a few forums.

Thanks for the compliment Sinbad, forums are a great source of information as you well know ;) and funnily enough even though I haven't sailed Cunard the information I've posted has turned out to be correct, unlike you so called Cunarders who constantly live in denial.

HLM.

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1 hour ago, HLM said:

Thanks for the compliment Sinbad, forums are a great source of information as you well know ;) and funnily enough even though I haven't sailed Cunard the information I've posted has turned out to be correct, unlike you so called Cunarders who constantly live in denial.

HLM.

Why do you dislike Cunard so much HLM, by your own admission you've never sailed on Cunard so what did they do to make you so bitter?

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6 hours ago, towny44 said:

Why do you dislike Cunard so much HLM, by your own admission you've never sailed on Cunard so what did they do to make you so bitter?

I have nothing against Cunard, all I originally done was posted about the change in dress code then as per usual the Cunard defence league (CDL) are all over it like a rash.

Now as a result it's been insinuated that I'm someone else with a personal vendetta, I've been accused of being arrogant etc, yet regardless of it's source the information regarding dress code I've posted has turned out to be correct whether people like it or not that is fact.

We've all posted information and links on here from various sources about numerous different cruiselines etc, this information is widely accepted as true despite posters not having sailed on that particular line, yet when it comes to Cunard the goal posts are moved.

So just to reiterate I've nothing against Cunard, I'm just simply posting information about them and regardless of where it comes from I thought that's what forums were about.

HLM.

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7 hours ago, *Dancing Queen* said:

Behave ??? I speak from experience unlike you.

Oh bless you DQ, you've had a few sailings with Cunard and you think you're an expert on formal attire.

You really have no idea, I most likely attend more formal occasions in a year than you've ever done.

If only you knew.

HLM.

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